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Petrov????

Unread postby CLCPV04 » Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:24 am

PV ers Dad wrote:Lance Atkins is teaching my daughter this method.
This is posted on his bio page:
From his culmination of 21 years of coaching ... Coach Atkins has in the last several years... feels he has refined and improved upon the Russian "PETROV model" of "pole jumping", THE technique which many of the European jumpers right now utilize. Vladamir Petrov was personal coach to 6x world champion, 1988 Olympic Champion, and 36x world record holder...Sergei Bubka These refinements that has dubbed "the ATKINS ATTACK" has made the planting phase (the last five steps) more balanced, more simplified & more efficient. It makes planting the pole more consistent and gives the vaulter a stronger, faster, & more powerful takeoff into the pole. This efficency enables the vaulter to get on longer and heavier poles quicker than the now conve3ntionally used styles.

http://www.fiberbenders.com/BIOs/BIO_LanceAtkins.htm

She said it wasn't that hard to do. I'm sending her Lances camp over the Christmas break. Lets see how good it works.

I was looking for other jumpers that use this method.




Hey all,

Why dont you go take a look at photos from this guy's website and tell me what you think of his application of the "petrov" model...
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Unread postby VTechVaulter » Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:39 am

well im gonna share a couple thoughts that pop to mine just because i feel that they could be beneficial to someone heading out to work with him

about 5-6 years ago the term atkins attack was thrown around frequently in eastern pa. at the time, it to me appeared to be, and by the admission of some of his athletes was, a slam plant. now what that has evolved into im not sure, although i am confused on why you would try to improve upon that particular aspect of petrov model, as the takeoff is the foundation for the whole vault.

the only thing to be aware of is that lance wants to make his name known. the sad part is, he actually is a very knowledgable coach who has some good facilities and lots of poles for his kids to use. if he would stick to the basics he would be a very good asset to the vault community. thats my .02 anyway
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Re: Petrov????

Unread postby achtungpv » Wed Dec 20, 2006 3:10 pm

CLCPV04 wrote:Hey all,

Why dont you go take a look at photos from this guy's website and tell me what you think of his application of the "petrov"


Looks like a perfect implementation of the Texas Manifesto Model. Vitaly would probably have an aneurysm if he saw that.
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Unread postby bjvando » Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:48 pm

I'm digging the front buns that come out to about 20' and are about 3' high..... (in the 1st 3 pics)....
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Unread postby achtungpv » Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:06 pm

bjvando wrote:I'm digging the front buns that come out to about 20' and are about 3' high..... (in the 1st 3 pics)....


You need those if you're putting all your effort into stopping your swing by locking and blocking. Odds are you'll get rejected back down the runway.
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Unread postby altius » Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:37 pm

A very sad picture. Obviously an enthusiastic coach who is making a contribution to our sport. Unfortunately the images shown bear no relationship to the Petrov model and certainly do not represent an improvement on it.

I dont want to waste any time on this but if there is sufficient interest I will outline what problems each of the athletes shown, presents with.. :crying: :no:
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Unread postby sooch90 » Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:45 pm

altius wrote:A very sad picture. Obviously an enthusiastic coach who is making a contribution to our sport. Unfortunately the images shown bear no relationship to the Petrov model and certainly do not represent an improvement on it.

I dont want to waste any time on this but if there is sufficient interest I will outline what problems each of the athletes shown, presents with.. :crying: :no:


hey altius, please do outline the problems for each picture. I would really like to know what things to avoid. :D

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Unread postby Rhino » Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:40 pm

I am very interested in critiques of the vaults. I looked at some video of myself vaulting today and was horrified at how my forehead was almost into the pole and my left elbow was leading the pole shortly after my plant. In effect, my vault was the opposite extreme to what I see in the photos. I have people telling me to emulate the actions in these photos. Specific comments would be appreciated.

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Unread postby SlickVT » Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:10 pm

sooch90 wrote:
altius wrote:A very sad picture. Obviously an enthusiastic coach who is making a contribution to our sport. Unfortunately the images shown bear no relationship to the Petrov model and certainly do not represent an improvement on it.

I dont want to waste any time on this but if there is sufficient interest I will outline what problems each of the athletes shown, presents with.. :crying: :no:


hey altius, please do outline the problems for each picture. I would really like to know what things to avoid. :D


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Unread postby Cooleo111 » Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:54 pm

I've actually worked with Lance, and I don't want to bash him completely, but I would say I spent a good 2 and a half years trying to undo some of the things I was taught (mainly blocking with the bottom arm). Luckily I found out about Slippery Rock and attended their camp for three years, and they got me right on track, with a hell of a lot of work on my part.

On a side note, seeing that you (PV ers Dad) are from Toms River, it might be worth the effort to ask Bob Amos what he thinks about Lance's approach, and why he no longer coaches with him at his clinics. :idea:

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Unread postby bjvando » Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:57 pm

PV ers Dad wrote:Its really sad to see people attack someone they don't know.
Thanks allot. I did not want to turn this into a bashing post.
At least someone is trying to improve the sport and help the younger vaulter. Look alittle more at his web pages. He's coached alot of great vaulters.


on the website I see pictures with stacy, LoJo, and Nick Hysong...

Did he coach them? no he didn't. WE all know know who coached them. I am curious what 'great vaulters' he has coached.

I'm not bashing a man that puts his heart and soul for his athletes, many coaches could learn from that, but from a technical aspect.... well its already been said.
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