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Re: We always hear of Americans jumping very high w/ short r

Unread postby Barto » Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:32 am

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When Frank and I finally got back to our long runs to do some takeoffs, Vitali immediately said something to the effect of "Ahhh...the American run...is all the same...pahpahpahpahpahpahpah....too fast too soon and no develop run. You need to run pah pah pah pah pah pah pah pahpah pahpah...develop run." The emphasis then became coming out of the back with very high knees and not opening the front leg beyond 90 degrees until the thigh was traveling downwards, and then a fast clawing action. Gradual buildup of of rhythmic tempo, tempo increasing with pole drop synonomously, left arm staying in position in front of the center of the chest, but being loose in the shoulders, not tense. Divided plant, 1 on penultimate and 2 as the last step touches down.

Lots to think about! It is difficult to come down a runway thinking about implementing each of these steps because you are trying to please this legendary man and earn his praise, and Vitaly did give praise, but always had constructive criticism. Sometimes it was hard to understand his point via the language barrier, since he can't always think of the right vocabulary to use, but we got a lot out of it. He was emphatic about not jumping too early in the training season, but spending 1000's of repetitions in the sand, grass, and track perfecting the plant from slow/walking to fast running, and reproducing the same movements at all speeds.



Kris this might be why we always hear of AMerican vaulter jumping very high with short runs.???????? Then only jump 6 inches higher wiht a long run


This also might be why there have been more Americans jump 6 meters than Petrov coached athletes. Petrov is an outstanding coach and pioneer in our sport, but his theories on sprinting and runway mechanics are not 100% biomechanically sound.

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Re: We always hear of Americans jumping very high w/ short r

Unread postby lonestar » Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:12 pm

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ESSX wrote:Kris this might be why we always hear of AMerican vaulter jumping very high with short runs.???????? Then only jump 6 inches higher wiht a long run


This also might be why there have been more Americans jump 6 meters than Petrov coached athletes. Petrov is an outstanding coach and pioneer in our sport, but his theories on sprinting and runway mechanics are not 100% biomechanically sound.


Good thoughts, on both parts. Bruce, I understand this problem very well. I coach a vaulter at Texas State named Eric, that can jump 16'0 from 4 lefts, but has only jumped 16'1 from 8 lefts - he can't convert, and is very uncomfortable past 12 steps.

Mike, I am really battling with this concept. I have heard so many different theories on sprinting biomechanics, frontside versus backside mechanics. DJ and Tellez have emphasized what seems to me to be the opposite of Vitali. I haven't drawn any conclusions yet.
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Unread postby Barto » Mon Oct 23, 2006 3:07 pm

My 2 cents:

The school of thought that emphasised "backside mechanics" evolved in the 70's and 80's when the very best coaches had access to the very best athletes who were using the very best drugs. Basically it teaches the athlete to employ the hamstrings more than the quads. Hamstrings are not naturally as strong as quads, but with the right "motivation" Ben Johnson's hamstrings pulled him to 9.79

Humans are natural pushers, not pullers. What Tellez, Pfaff, Smith.... all teach is to push with the quads - not pull with the hamstrings. Lots of european coaches still teach "claw at the ground" type pulling techniques used by their athletes back in their heyday which coincidentally was the heyday of systematic drug use.

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Unread postby lonestar » Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:44 pm

Yesterday (monday) was a recovery day for the group. The girls compete this evening at 9:30 in a huge club gymnasium, where they cut a hole in the floor and sunk a box, rolled out a mondo runway, and have advertising banners on stands all around the floor. We're a little concerned that the box is shallow by 2 centimeters, and about 20cm short in length from front to back. The back wall of the box looks a little steep also - hopefully we can get in on the poles we have!

We had a press conference yesterday, covered by at least 3 networks, including Fox Sports SouthAmerica. Much of the attention was focused on Yelena and German. A lot of translating going on for Yelena from Spanish to Russian or Spanish to English. She looked a little nervous. Vitali was funny - he's sitting up front at the head interview table with all these photographers taking photos of him and the group, and he's taking photos back at the crowd. We were all introduced and had to stand and be acknowledged, and then pose for pictures. I think we must have posed for about 200 pictures the past 4 days!

Today we were honored by the governor of Santa Fe, each athlete introduced, given a gift (etched wine glass), and shook the governor's hand. Lots of press there!

Now we're resting until dinner, and afterwards going to the women's competition. The men jump at 9:30 wednesday night. They have a big projection screen behind the runway, and speakers. Should be pretty adrenalizing!
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Unread postby lonestar » Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:55 pm

Last night Francisco and I spent about 3 hours with Elson (the Brazilian coach), discussing all the info. that Vitali has passed onto him. So much information our heads were about to explode! Way too much to list here. Some highlights though:

They don't place any importance on testing. They do measure and record grip improvements and technical improvements, but don't feel all the testing is important.

Very little emphasis on weights. Much more on body weight exercises, tendon and ligament strengthening before muscular strengthening.

Their periodization:

Introductory: 3 weeks
Recovery: 1 week
Fundamental 1: 3 weeks (sand drills up to 6 steps)
Recovery: 1 week
Fundamental 2: 3 weeks
Recovery: 1 week
Special Preparation 1: 3 weeks
Recovery: 1 week
Special Prep 2: 3 weeks (only used if there is no indoor season)
Recovery: 1 week
Competition: ???
After indoor season, repeat the cycles leading to outdoor at higher intensity

They often train twice a day, up to 7 hours a day! Not practical in most U.S. situations.

Lots of little exercises, but only 1 set of each, for total body development - all written down in stick figure drawings by Petrov.

One little interesting anecdote: they do drills in the sand up to 10 steps, and Fabio Gomes De Silva has gripped 15'1 on a bent pole in the sand, inverting and then dropping the legs to land on the feet. The coach spots it though, standing in the sand pit and grabbing the pole to make sure they don't get rejected or blow through.

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