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[agapit]

Do I want to be inverted before the pole recoils, and will this give me any problems with ending up shallow??

Yes you want to swing from the moment you complete your plant/take off! If you swing correctly it will continue to put energy into the pole and keep it bent/drive you deeper into the pit! Here is a link to an Alan Launder article that explains this idea perfectly:

http://www.neovault.com/article_launder1.asp

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[reggiereeves]

i'm really sorry, i must be an idiot, so i should be focusing on driving good before i start my swing up? Is that what Agapit means? Dang i'm real confused!

[agapit]

i'm really sorry, i must be an idiot, so i should be focusing on driving good before i start my swing up? Is that what Agapit means? Dang i'm real confused!

Dang! It is OK to be confused. It is a multidimensional event that is difficult to simplify.

If you mean by “drivingâ€Â

[reggiereeves]

what does the complete leg take-off cycle include?

[AKell]

all i meant by hanging is that you nees to start by pushing so you CAN swing. It's really a split second, you're right, my point is that if you collapse to swing through you won't bend the pole or even get into the pit.

[altius]

What you think is what you do - so the clearer your thinking about this event, the better you are likely to do - so sort out your thoughts Akell,

[ashcraftpv]

what they are talking about is what I call "loading the trail leg". Its basically hitting the proper position at take-off with your upper body AND your legs. What agapit is referring to when he says to finish the left leg take off cycle is that if you are taking off correctly, your drive knee should be up, the foot of your drive leg should be separated from the opposite knee, and the take off leg should be trailing extended behind the body with the toe pointing. Your legs should hit this poistion naturally anytime you correctly jump off of one leg, be it vaulting, long jumping, or hurdling. All very same motions.

When I tell my kids to "load the trail leg", all I'm doing is giving them a mental cue on when to swing. I tell them to think about merely extending the takeof leg and pointing the toe. You should swing when your body is in the right position to swing, ie in the proper position off the ground, as seen here:

http://advantageathletics.com/tmp/Seque ... orya06.JPG

Like agapit has said, you don't have to "drive" off the ground to penetrate. Merely putting yourslef into the described poistion creates enough of a delay for the pole to penetrate and gives a fast and powerful swing (if you can do it, of course).

[master]

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[OUvaulterUSAF]

there's a really good article on this sight that talks about when to pull at take-off--'the switchpoint'.

http://pvei.com/fusion/readarticle.php?article_id=22

I just know on 15' I'm initiating my whip ASAP. Where as on a 16'+ I need a little more time in my take-off phase before I initiate that whip.

[master]

That's a very interesting concept. Thanks for pointing that out.

- master

[agapit]

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[altius]

One of the most valuable words in the English language -tough luck agapit! is WHY!! If we understand WHY certain things are important at various stages of the vault we will more readily understand the whole package.

So WHY do you need to "finish the take off" with a driving extension of the take off leg and ankle? The answer is so that we can put as much energy into the pole in the first stage AND also set up the trail leg in a position from which it can begin the whip of the body around the top hand in the second stage.

WHY is THIS important and why must it begin as soon as the drive is finished and the left leg well positioned? Because the athlete needs to be fully inverted BEFORE the pole begins to recoil to take full advantage of that recoil! That means the trail leg must move early - but only after the "take off is finished" - and FAST . This not only swing/whips it above the athletes head and moves them into inversion but puts energy into the pole at the same time -energy which also enables the athlete to position their com level with or even above the pole before it begins to recoil.

Athletes who do not execute these first two phases well,(WHY = Often because they take off under!!!) cannot put enough energy into to the system to 'stay long' through the swing/whip and are forced to shorten the axis of rotation by bending at the hips and knees and swinging up UNDER the bent pole, Not only are they now further from the space above the bar at that point than the Petrovites, but now they must shoot their feet for the bar without ever being able to put more energy into the pole in the third phase as Bubka did.

Iooking at this issue in more detail i suspect that Feonaova delays the forward whip swing of her trail leg too long after take off and this, along with a tendency ot slow her rotation by allowing both legs to extend, means that she is never in a position to fully exploit her great gymnastic ability in the third and fourth phases. If she could resolve this, she could be -at 5'3 and a little bit? the second woman to clear 5.00m!