Pole Vault Spotting Proposal...

[rainbowgirl28]

1. If you cannot penetrate into the pit (even once) in the warm ups or competition you are disqualified. I know it is draconian, but will encourage people to use appropriate grips and poles (the majority of injuries)

I like the idea behind what you are saying, but I think that would be pretty harsh. Lots of people are going to get stood up at one point or another for one reason or another. It doesn't always mean they are an unsafe vaulter. Sometimes it is wrong pole wrong grip, but sometimes something else goes wrong.

2. I am in favor of the landing zone (high school and college only). Miss once - warning, missed twice - disqualification from competition.

Americans are pretty attached to the number 3 when it comes to strikes

3. Ban "run backs". Measuring run up by running from the takeoff point to the beginning of the run up. If an athlete does not have an established approach length he is putting himself/herself in a grave danger.

I like that idea. Run backs are one of the most worthless things ever.

[pistolpete6994]

1. If you cannot penetrate into the pit (even once) in the warm ups or competition you are disqualified. I know it is draconian, but will encourage people to use appropriate grips and poles (the majority of injuries)

2. I am in favor of the landing zone (high school and college only). Miss once - warning, missed twice - disqualification from competition.

3. Ban "run backs". Measuring run up by running from the takeoff point to the beginning of the run up. If an athlete does not have an established approach length he is putting himself/herself in a grave danger.

Not to be antagonistic but did you ever jump in HS or College?
I agree your rules are well intentioned but how could you justify DQing a 18+ vaulter for missing a coaches box, or being stood up on a jump? It happens even to the best. And by enforcing at the level I believe you aim it at, high school college under 13', you would also have to enforce it with those well over that mark.

[ladyvolspvcoach]

agapit, I would rather require that the coaches be certified to coach the vault. The kids just want to vault and do the event. You and I have both seen that there are a LOT of coaches who don't have a clue yet still try to coach the kids. Like "run faster" "jump higher" coaches. I think the root is their knowledge of the very lowest level basics just is wrong or doesn't exist. The kids will do what their coaches tell them in total faith!! I would rather see a coach who has a kid who doesn't have clue be penalized!! DQ'd from the competition (read meet). I'd love to see a Tennessee certification program for coaches who are NOT qualified!!!! Or all PV Coaches......... or the kids cannot participate in the event.
Oh and stay away from the landing zone..That will become a nightmare. Like someone will read that as "their shoestring was over the line" kinda crap!!!!

[agapit]

1. If you cannot penetrate into the pit (even once) in the warm ups or competition you are disqualified. I know it is draconian, but will encourage people to use appropriate grips and poles (the majority of injuries)

[I like the idea behind what you are saying, but I think that would be pretty harsh. Lots of people are going to get stood up at one point or another for one reason or another. It doesn't always mean they are an unsafe vaulter. Sometimes it is wrong pole wrong grip, but sometimes something else goes wrong.

I agree but we have to make sacrifices for safety. Perhaps saying that if you lend in front of the pit would be a compromise.

2. I am in favor of the landing zone (high school and college only). Miss once - warning, missed twice - disqualification from competition.

Americans are pretty attached to the number 3 when it comes to strikes

#3 could be deadly

3. Ban "run backs". Measuring run up by running from the takeoff point to the beginning of the run up. If an athlete does not have an established approach length he is putting himself/herself in a grave danger.

I like that idea. Run backs are one of the most worthless things ever.

I am glad we agree on the last one.

[rainbowgirl28]

Oh and stay away from the landing zone..That will become a nightmare. Like someone will read that as "their shoestring was over the line" kinda crap!!!!

It would have to be a very clearly written, well defined rule.

Personally, I am in favor of it saying something to the effect of any part of the torso must land in the PLZ (not necesarily the WHOLE torso, just any part of it).

That's just my opinion though.

[rainbowgirl28]

2. I am in favor of the landing zone (high school and college only). Miss once - warning, missed twice - disqualification from competition.

Americans are pretty attached to the number 3 when it comes to strikes

#3 could be deadly

So could number 1 or 2.

[agapit]

1. If you cannot penetrate into the pit (even once) in the warm ups or competition you are disqualified. I know it is draconian, but will encourage people to use appropriate grips and poles (the majority of injuries)

2. I am in favor of the landing zone (high school and college only). Miss once - warning, missed twice - disqualification from competition.

3. Ban "run backs". Measuring run up by running from the takeoff point to the beginning of the run up. If an athlete does not have an established approach length he is putting himself/herself in a grave danger.

Not to be antagonistic but did you ever jump in HS or College?
I agree your rules are well intentioned but how could you justify DQing a 18+ vaulter for missing a coaches box, or being stood up on a jump? It happens even to the best. And by enforcing at the level I believe you aim it at, high school college under 13', you would also have to enforce it with those well over that mark.

well maybe we should be silent than and just go and do our business and let them fall as they may.

P.S. I have vaulted in HS (in Russia) and College (NAIA Champ)

[agapit]

It happens even to the best. And by enforcing at the level I believe you aim it at, high school college under 13', you would also have to enforce it with those well over that mark.

I like the idea of limiting the zone of enforcement by height say 15 ft.