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[saraf]

they messed the results up prity bad. They didn't look at misses or anthing. it was strange. when we got metals it was right but they announced it wrong too

[KentStatePV]

Big Congrats to Jen O'Niel
Faiports PV tradition is in good hands!

[Vaultref]

Adam, I think (call it a guess) the problem is that the results you see were taken from the "Palm" pilot input. For whatever reason, after uploading the the results into the computer the program did not try to break ties using the standard method for breaking ties which is to count total misses.
I noticed that at the high jump. The Saturday edition of a Raleigh paper had a whole lot of ties for third and sixth in the girls HJ.
The online results for the boys HJ (held Saturday) show a whole lot of ties for the 3rd place. Trust me, that is not what was turned in on the paper copy.
The conclusion is the software did not try to break the ties and I don't know why.

[KYLE ELLIS]

I thought it was the previous miss not total amount of misses

[Skyin' Brian]

I thought it was the previous miss not total amount of misses

right, doesnt it go to the last height that the tied vaulters cleared and if that is equal then total misses. and if the total is the same we have an unbreakable tie unless it is for advancement in some cases or if it if for first place in a championship meet where a jump off would be in order.

[Vaultref]

No guys, it does not nor do you use the previous height. You count total misses at that point. All four rule codes agree on how to break ties.
I know its not your job to have to know how to break ties, but in the same breath you really should learn how. I've seen to many puzzled looks when I tell someone they finished at a lower place than what they initially thought.
In addition, it the scorer does make an error, you can catch it and point it out to them.

[lonestar]

NFHS Rule 7, Section 5, Article 30: Breaking ties for places:
a. The competitor with the fewest number of trials for the height at which the tie occurs, i.e., the last height successfully cleared, shall be awarded the higher place.
b. If the tie still remains, the competitor with the fewest total number of unsuccessful trials throughout the competition, up to and including the height last cleared, shall be awarded the higher place.
c. Passed trials shall not count as misses.
d. If the tie remains after applying (a) and (b):
1. If it concerns first place, the competitors tying shall make one more attempt for the height at which they failed. If no decision is reached, the bar shall be lowered by three inches. If two or more of the tying competitors clear the height, the bar shall be raised by intervals of 3 inches. Each competitor shall attempt one trial at each height until the winner is determined.
2. If the tie concerns any place other than first place, the competitors shall be awarded the same place in the competition.
3. A competitor shall be credited with his/her best achievement if it occurs in a jump-off for first place.

[Skyin' Brian]

ok, maybe i wasnt clear, but i think what i said is consistant with the rule that lonestar just posted.

pretty simple, you just look at the last height that the vautlers cleared and whoever missed the least times at that height wins but if things were equal total misses are counted.

so, i could miss 2 times at every height and you could be clean, but if on the last bar that we both clear i clear on my first and you on your second then i still win even though i have more total misses right.

the rules for breaking ties are pretty simple and seem to make sense. i dont see what all of the confusion is.

[KYLE ELLIS]

No guys, it does not nor do you use the previous height. You count total misses at that point. All four rule codes agree on how to break ties.
I know its not your job to have to know how to break ties, but in the same breath you really should learn how. I've seen to many puzzled looks when I tell someone they finished at a lower place than what they initially thought.
In addition, it the scorer does make an error, you can catch it and point it out to them.

Where are you from, Ive been around the sport my whole life and never seen this happen except at junior high meets. example
Joe makes 14 on his second 14'6 on his secon and 15 on his first
John makes 14 on first 14'6 on first and 15 on second who wins?
JOE!

[Vaultref]

Kyle,
You example is typical of how someone with more misses at lower heights can win. I'll just alter Joes attempts a little..


.............. 14-0 ........ 14-6 ....... 15-0 ........ 15-6
..... JOE ... XX0 ........ XXO ........ O ............ XXX
......JOHN.. O............. O............ XO ...........XXX

Tied height is 15-0, Joe wins by applying rule (a) above.
John wants to know why because he says he only missed once below 15-6
and Joe missed 4 times below 15-6. You tell John that his miss at the tied height knocked him out of first place.
I see this all the time. Since you asked, I live in "upstate" NY

[lonestar]

Kyle,
You example is typical of how someone with more misses at lower heights can win. I'll just alter Joes attempts a little..


.............. 14-0 ........ 14-6 ....... 15-0 ........ 15-6
..... JOE ... XX0 ........ XXO ........ O ............ XXX
......JOHN.. O............. O............ XO ...........XXX

Tied height is 15-0, Joe wins by applying rule (a) above.
John wants to know why because he says he only missed once below 15-6
and Joe missed 4 times below 15-6. You tell John that his miss at the tied height knocked him out of first place.
I see this all the time. Since you asked, I live in "upstate" NY

So what are you saying here? That John should win by applying Rule B instead of Rule A? Or are you saying that this was done correctly by applying Rule A?

[Robert schmitt]

My understanding of his post is he runs into competetors that think they shoud have one by applying rule B (just total misses) before rule A. SO he has to explain to them that the first tie break is misses AT the last hieght succesfuly completed by both athletes, not total misses in the competition.