Big Ten Pole Vault Safety Clinic Video

[wacky274]

This prejump, or free takeoff, or russian style plant, whatever you want to call it, is very helpful in my opinion. One of my main reasons is that this prejump can increase grip height. This is only true if the person continues to be able to move in the upwards direction, or as talked about earlier, the vaulter will eat runway. By leaving the ground "early" or outside your step, you are actually taller by the time the tip hit's the back of the box, thus if you are able to keep going up, you can move your grip up, corresponding to your prejump......what do you all think?

hope that made sense

[rainbowgirl28]

I thought that the purpose of the video was to work to improve pole vault safety in the US. I have not seen the video yet, so maybe it is not fair of me to say this right now, but based on what you guys are saying it seems like they are focusing on this technical thing... I think there is no way that most pole vault coaches will be able to translate that into safer vaulting. There are so many more important things that I think should be focused on first, like getting kids to land in the middle of the pit. I picture the average high school coach who tries to coach that method ending up wth kids taking off outside and not making the pit.

So perhaps I am wrong. What else was on the video?

[lonestar]

This prejump, or free takeoff, or russian style plant, whatever you want to call it, is very helpful in my opinion. One of my main reasons is that this prejump can increase grip height. This is only true if the person continues to be able to move in the upwards direction, or as talked about earlier, the vaulter will eat runway. By leaving the ground "early" or outside your step, you are actually taller by the time the tip hit's the back of the box, thus if you are able to keep going up, you can move your grip up, corresponding to your prejump......what do you all think?

hope that made sense

You hit the nail right on the head! For further analysis, y'all might want to consult the article "The Pre-Jump: A Revolution in the Pole Vault" by Alan Launder of Australia. It was published in Jess Jarver's "The Jumps" 4th edition.

Another great article in "The Jumps" about a pole carry and planting (drop-tip) style to facilitate an effective pre-jump is entitled "Something New in the Pole Vault" by V. Boiko and J. Nikonov of the former Soviet Union.


Kris

[smokinvaulter1]

Its not for everybody but it a very efficent and and good style of take off
you don't have to take off a foot out to do it. an matter of inches means alot in the take off, Take off under is just as dangerous because the vaulter get ripped straight up thus giving them no cahnce to make the pit. And yes the video was upposed to be on safety but the started being coaches trying to teach the correct technique and me Kris aand Richard were just trying to explain what they were. Talking about. Another thing on free take off Bubka and Tarasov do it. So it go to be good.

[titojumps]

Its not for everybody but it a very efficent and and good style of take off
you don't have to take off a foot out to do it. an matter of inches means alot in the take off, Take off under is just as dangerous because the vaulter get ripped straight up thus giving them no cahnce to make the pit. And yes the video was upposed to be on safety but the started being coaches trying to teach the correct technique and me Kris aand Richard were just trying to explain what they were. Talking about. Another thing on free take off Bubka and Tarasov do it. So it go to be good.

Amen brother on your comment about inches meaning a lot take-off. but i gota be a nay-sayer on the ol' "free" take off thing. not that it NEVER happends, but if you closely review high speed film, you'll see that the "big-boys" don't actually have a "free" take-off. true, the russians like Tarasov and especially Markov come really close, but only on rare occasions do they actually leave the ground before the pole hits the back of the box. i would just call their take-offs extreamly ON. right on, dead on. and if you watch what happends on the rare occasion they do leave a nanosecond before the pole hits the back of the box, you'll see them sink, sag on the pole and elongate the drive knee into a double leg swing (because the lo-back just can't take it) to keep the pole movin', then try to get arround on it and either go straight up and down or flag and shoot out at the bar.

just what i think, not sayin' it's right or wrong for you.

tito

[smokinvaulter1]

Believe I don't do it I'm to short and still don't get high enough take off angle. But Vadim has to do it in order to jump well in fact when he is under his top hand he says the pole move too fast. I got to say this I don't see too many vaulters with the extreme free take off of Vadim but there a quite a few russian that use it and are taught it. But it's not for me. Yes tito your right I know none of you guys at bell use it but you all jump very well.

[vaultfan]

I have to admit, after spending so much time trying to understand the pre jump method of pole planting, I’m wondering just what Lacy Jansen of Florida State is attempting to do to improve on her plant and takeoff. In the Trackshark.com article about her, she said “This year is going to be a technical year for me. I'm really hoping to improve on my plant and takeoff. If it means that I have to go down before I go up again then that has to happen. Take for example Tiger Woods. When he took time out to improve his game, he didn't win anything for a while. When he came back, he was a monster eating up all competition in sight.â€Â

[titojumps]

But Vadim has to do it in order to jump well in fact when he is under his top hand he says the pole move too fast. I got to say this I don't see too many vaulters with the extreme free take off of Vadim but there a quite a few russian that use it and are taught it.

Yea, Vadim is one of those truely free take-off cats. he's an interesting case study. When Vadim showed up in Jonesboro, fresh off the Russia boat, and started jumping with Earl the first thing that was blatantly obvious to EB was his straight up jump off the ground at take-off. And like Derek Miles, the first thing EB started working on was to get him "hitting the pole" better. unfortunately Vadim (or Jetski as we called him, because that's what it sounded like when he told us his name) didn't get the picture and wasn't able to change a thing. a side note, for those of you who don't no what i mean by "hitting the pole" better; it simply means the vaulter needs to lessen his angle at take-off and put more energy into the pole as opposed to blowing their wad by jumping straight up off the ground. most vaulters have exactly the oppsite problem and need more angle at take-off, myself included. If you look at Vadim's numbers, a few questions arise. how can a guy with that high of a grip and on that big a pole not consistanly fall over 18'6"? for example, i jumped 19'5" gripping under 5 meters. In my mind, Derek Miles is the perfact modle for this explanation. when derek came to jonesboro, he was a jump up straight off the ground guy and was consistanly clearing arround 18'. 2 years later, he's a hit the pole guy and he's jumping over 19'. he's on way bigger poles which ultimately allow him to grip even higher than when he was a jump straight up off the ground guy. also, you can't imagine how much horse power the guys like Bubka and Markov have. it's not even a fair compairson to the rest of the vault world. and to take off the way the Russians want their athletes to take off, it takes that much horse power. period.

but to get back on track a little here. the reason the big ten tele-conference was promoting a "free" take-off is because the Kid that died took off way under. as we all know, taking off under kills pole speed. by killing pole speed, you are less likely to get the pole to vertical. by taking off on, you are more likely to make the pit. it's that simple.

time to go film some jumps to send off to BC! talk to ya'll later.
tito

[smokinvaulter1]

You guys said everything that needed to be said and it is all very true at that. Well good Luck

[vaultfan]

Here are some other subjects covered in the Big Ten PV Safety Clinic Video. This is not a “transcript,â€Â

[vaultfan]

Here is a link to an article entitled “Instruction for coaches box application and useâ€Â

[vaultfan]

From the Big Ten Pole Vault Safety Clinic Video:

Because the fiberglass pole bends, it allows the vaulter to hold the pole higher. When two vaulters are competing against on another, all other things being equal, the vaulter gripping the pole higher is the vaulter most likely to vault higher.

That’s the real advantage of the fiberglass pole. However, it’s also the problem. Because the pole bends and everyone wants to hold higher so they can jump as high as they possibly can, sometimes athletes will grip the pole a little higher than they should and then they don’t make the pole reach the vertical.

If the pole does not get to vertical, there is a good chance that the vaulter will land in the area at the front of the pit or off to the side of the pit. It is the responsibility of the vaulter to get the pole to vertical so that he/she may land safely in the pit.