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RoySloppy · Unread postby **RoySloppy** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 9:40 am

but dosnt bubka have the record? in my book thast would make him the best vaulter, because if someone was better than him, they would have the record. Babe ruth was the greatest homerun hitter until 1975, when hammerin hank broke his record, now hank aaron is the greatest homerun hitter ever. im not big on the history of the vault and im not familiar with these other names, but if they were so good and better than bubka why didnt they jump 6.16?

Unread postby **rainbowgirl28** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 9:46 am

RoySloppy wrote:but if they were so good and better than bubka why didnt they jump 6.16?

Because God didn't give them the same body as Bubka. Being a good pole vaulter is about more than jumping high.

KYLE ELLIS · Unread postby **KYLE ELLIS** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 1:12 pm

Yes I agree that joe and dup etc probably have better technique, thats why i model myself after joe and tim mcmichels. But have u seen some of the clearances Bubka had on his wr's? His pushoff has to be as high as anyone else. This is a guy that had nobody to push him and he smoked every wr there was! So I say if there was someone to push him u would have seen him step up and match and beat the old records by alot. And ur never going to win a meet just cause u pushed off higher than the winner so what does it matter!!!!

Unread postby **rainbowgirl28** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 1:29 pm

KYLE ELLIS wrote:And ur never going to win a meet just cause u pushed off higher than the winner so what does it matter!!!!

It matters because if you are not getting the maximum pushoff that you can, you are not being the best vaulter you can be!

PVJunkie · Unread postby **PVJunkie** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 3:15 pm

Some people just dont get it..............I know its hard to appreciate that the man who jumped highest was not the "best" technician...........but thats the fact. Technique is all about efficency. By modeling yourself after some of the best TECHNICIANS you MUST understand that they were better vaulters but just never jumped as high.

The fact that you get beat by someone less technically sound is no factor in development. Technique is much harder to come by than speed and strength. You make the most outta what you got, if you focus all your efforts into manhandling your way through the vault you will not go near as far as focusing on technique FIRST then get faster and stronger (or in most cases do all at the same time but spend the greatest amount of you time on technique).

smokinvaulter1 · Unread postby **smokinvaulter1** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 3:25 pm

I think I would like be myself
Run- me
Take off-me
swing-me
top- me
Just get on bigger sticks 18'+ isn't that far away.
Just stay healthy and keep doing things right?
I spend about 8 hours a week on technique and I'm 24 year old and have been Jumping for 11 years, so you young guys think about that.

KYLE ELLIS · Unread postby **KYLE ELLIS** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 4:09 pm

I like how u guys only pick certain things out of my posts, and I said I agreed that Bubka probably wasnt as good a technician as dial or dup! Please read my whole post if ur going to rag. And whos to say that Bubka didnt have the best technique? Do u have a machine that measures it? All im saying Bubka is the best he didnt have as good a pushoff as the little fast guys, so what maybe if he was that small he would of! Maybe if he jumped like them it wouldnt of worked for him? U never know! And is there really such thing as a better vaulter just didnt jump as high(how many wr's would that get u or oly golds?)? Thats a load of BS! And for the max pushoff thing he never had to max his out because he smoked the hell out of his wr's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KYLE ELLIS · Unread postby **KYLE ELLIS** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 4:13 pm

rainbowgirl28 wrote:
RoySloppy wrote:but if they were so good and better than bubka why didnt they jump 6.16?

Because God didn't give them the same body as Bubka. Being a good pole vaulter is about more than jumping high.

What else matters seriously, self pleasure that u have good technique! Thats crazy! So what winning is what a good pole vaulter is all about, or in any other sport! Of course there are the off the field things u can do but being the best is what counts!

RoySloppy · Unread postby **RoySloppy** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 4:16 pm

yeah it sounds like you guys are takin credit away from bubka and puttin it to guys that had great technique and didnt jump as high. technique or no technique, 6.14 is still a hell of a jump. like i said before, isnt the best ever the record holder? like babe ruth was the best before hank aaron, now if barry gets the record hell be the best, cmon now, thats what records are for. to tell you who was the best.

KYLE ELLIS · Unread postby **KYLE ELLIS** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 4:32 pm

RoySloppy wrote:yeah it sounds like you guys are takin credit away from bubka and puttin it to guys that had great technique and didnt jump as high. technique or no technique, 6.14 is still a hell of a jump. like i said before, isnt the best ever the record holder? like babe ruth was the best before hank aaron, now if barry gets the record hell be the best, cmon now, thats what records are for. to tell you who was the best.

I agree !

PVJunkie · Unread postby **PVJunkie** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 5:16 pm

Ill say it again.........you guys just dont get it. In the quest to jump as high as possible there are way too many factors to take into account. However, broken down there are 2, grip height and how high a bar you can clear with that grip ht. If Bubka could have jumped as high above his grip as some others then the WR would truly be out of reach for a very long time. No one is taking away from his accomplishments, to date he is arguably one of the greatest vaulters that ever picked up a fiberglass pole. What we are getting at is that height and efficency are 2 different things. And yes there are several ways to measure those exact things. No one is "raggin" on you. Each of us has a theoretical limit based on our speed (its on this board somewhere). Reseach done about 10 yrs ago. If you want to win you have to jump high. If you want to jump high you MUST have good technique. The best technique comes from the most efficent and thus we get back to the beginning of the circle...................Bubka was not the most efficent but he has jumped the highest. Nice little paradox we have going here. The vault is one of the most studied events in all of sport. The research is out there to support all of these posts.

Do the best (refer to earlier comments) vaulters always WIN..........NO, because even if we "jump" better it does not mean we will jump higher than someone with bad tech who is a better athlete. COULD we beat them.........sure just hope they dont get better technically before we catch up with them in our own weak areas.

KYLE ELLIS · Unread postby **KYLE ELLIS** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 5:38 pm

Do the best (refer to earlier comments) vaulters always WIN..........NO, because even if we "jump" better it does not mean we will jump higher than someone with bad tech who is a better athlete. COULD we beat them.........sure just hope they dont get better technically before we catch up with them in our own weak areas.[/quote]

Dude thats like saying Steve Nash is a better basketball player than Micheal Jordan because his teachnique and vision is better? If ur a better athlete and u jump higher ur a better vaulter! Being an athlete is part of it. And i really get one of those machines that measures techniqe so " I WILL FINALLY KNOW WHO THE BEST VAULTER EVER IS". Dude I dont think u get it, ur like the nfl draft analist that take a guy higher in the draft because he runs w/ better form and is stronger etc. But what it all comes down to is Performance! Yes watch Joe and Dup because they have the most powerful technique but many cant do it! You might fit another technique better, " U van either jump high, or correct". I choose high!

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