. Im looking to jump on the Essx 14'7" series, which we have a whole series of and I just need to know what all I should be focusing on in particular. Such as high plant, taking of on the mark I should be etc. Any advice anyone out there would be willing to give? Thanks!Key Factors
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I am just wondering what people would say the key factors for getting on bigger poles is. Ive used the search key and couldn't find much information on what I needed. Basically, Im 5'10" 150lbs, run about a 4.6 40 yd dash, currently using a 14' 165lb UCS and a 14' 170 lbs UCS both have flex numbers that are middle of the road. Im able to vault 14'6"-15' on these poles, but wouldnt an extra foot of pole just be nice . Im looking to jump on the Essx 14'7" series, which we have a whole series of and I just need to know what all I should be focusing on in particular. Such as high plant, taking of on the mark I should be etc. Any advice anyone out there would be willing to give? Thanks!
. Im looking to jump on the Essx 14'7" series, which we have a whole series of and I just need to know what all I should be focusing on in particular. Such as high plant, taking of on the mark I should be etc. Any advice anyone out there would be willing to give? Thanks!-
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Generally, it’s difficult to compare the flex numbers given by different companies when comparing brands, I would suggest to measure the poles your self and find the numbers you're looking for.
Within the same brand of poles generally within the flex, a 1cm difference makes "the next pole" in your bag. So you want a progression of flex by 1 cm increments. If you want to compare poles of different length you need to measure them from the same points on both poles, when you're gripping the same on both poles.
In terms of getting on bigger poles, if you don’t need to get on bigger poles then you don’t need to. There is no sense in grabbing more fiberglass just because it's there. Just because you have the biggest pole on the runway doesn't mean you're going to vault high.
Once you start needing more pole, go up in length, grab a pole that is close to what you need probably one that is a little bit soft for what you want, and match grips with your previous pole. I suggest grabbing a pole that is softer than what you need because timing is very different with longer poles that once you're on a new pole the timing needs to be gotten so you can be safe on bigger poles.
Start vaulting, the timing is going to different so its important that you only bump up your grip a couple of fingers at a time. Once you get comfortable you should bump up the grip a little more. A Big high take off is important all the time... Jumping on bigger poles forces you to get a better take off because if you take off poor generally you will get spit back out onto the runway.
NOW safety is extremely important and some people with disagree with me until the end of time and tell you that fire and brimstone will come from the sky if you decide to use a 'tap'. Some people like the tap but it needs to be understood that the 'tap' is not for training on 6 poles to large for you. If you and your coach decide a tap is useful then there is that route.
Within the same brand of poles generally within the flex, a 1cm difference makes "the next pole" in your bag. So you want a progression of flex by 1 cm increments. If you want to compare poles of different length you need to measure them from the same points on both poles, when you're gripping the same on both poles.
In terms of getting on bigger poles, if you don’t need to get on bigger poles then you don’t need to. There is no sense in grabbing more fiberglass just because it's there. Just because you have the biggest pole on the runway doesn't mean you're going to vault high.
Once you start needing more pole, go up in length, grab a pole that is close to what you need probably one that is a little bit soft for what you want, and match grips with your previous pole. I suggest grabbing a pole that is softer than what you need because timing is very different with longer poles that once you're on a new pole the timing needs to be gotten so you can be safe on bigger poles.
Start vaulting, the timing is going to different so its important that you only bump up your grip a couple of fingers at a time. Once you get comfortable you should bump up the grip a little more. A Big high take off is important all the time... Jumping on bigger poles forces you to get a better take off because if you take off poor generally you will get spit back out onto the runway.
NOW safety is extremely important and some people with disagree with me until the end of time and tell you that fire and brimstone will come from the sky if you decide to use a 'tap'. Some people like the tap but it needs to be understood that the 'tap' is not for training on 6 poles to large for you. If you and your coach decide a tap is useful then there is that route.
bel142 wrote:In terms of getting on bigger poles, if you don’t need to get on bigger poles then you don’t need to. There is no sense in grabbing more fiberglass just because it's there. Just because you have the biggest pole on the runway doesn't mean you're going to vault high.
Well, basically the reason I want to get on a bigger pole is because my vault is for the most part is sound as far as technique goes (not PERFECT obviously), but minus a few tweaks here and there its on track. So figuratively of course, getting on a pole thats a foot longer while having a vault that is comparitively equal with the vault on the pole thats a foot shorter, would result in a vault a foot higher if not more due to the fact that the longer pole has a longer recoil phase usually transferring into more fly away (I believe..).
And as far as the flex numbers go I dont believe that the Essx poles have flex numbers, for ease of transitioning from pole to pole. So the comparison between the UCS spirit poles and Essx poles should be different than comparing a Spirit to for say a pacer.
I'm sure this horse has been beatin before on these forums, but it would be nice to get some personal advice from some coaches/vaulters out there on tips on being able to move bigger poles.
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Just the basics like a high free take off and a solid body when you hit the pole. Take a look at Tom Lovell on page 248 BTB2 and his brother Chris p249 - both 5'7/140 lbs. Tom is on a 15/185 and Chris is on a 15/180. I suspect that you are quicker than both of them but that your plant and take off are not as good as you think.
Yes and forget the tap - improve your technique. 
Yes and forget the tap - improve your technique.
Its what you learn after you know it all that counts. John Wooden
altius wrote:I suspect that you are quicker than both of them but that your plant and take off are not as good as you think.
I think you hit it right on, I usually am taking off about 6 inches inside and my plant could probably be taller at takeoff, is there anything I could think about that will help me be taller and extend longer at take off?
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No that is not what I mean - but sorry I cant go through all of this again - it has been dealt with again and again on Pvp - and if I take time to tell you exactly what should happen it will only take us on to the next step and the next etc. It really would be easier for you to get the book from Becca - I have laid it all out there -and there are lots of illustrations. If you cant afford the book get the dvd from Neovault.com. 
Its what you learn after you know it all that counts. John Wooden
altius wrote:No that is not what I mean - but sorry I cant go through all of this again - it has been dealt with again and again on Pvp - and if I take time to tell you exactly what should happen it will only take us on to the next step and the next etc. It really would be easier for you to get the book from Becca - I have laid it all out there -and there are lots of illustrations. If you cant afford the book get the dvd from Neovault.com.
mm alright
You shouldn't really TRY to change anything about your vault as you move up poles. If you are blowing through the previous pole, moving up your grip (and your step back accordingly) while doing everything else the same should put you exactly where you want to be.
The real key is not getting psyched out by the bigger pole. When I move up, I just try to focus on something (usually either quick last steps or getting really tall at the takeoff) to keep my mind off the pole.
The real key is not getting psyched out by the bigger pole. When I move up, I just try to focus on something (usually either quick last steps or getting really tall at the takeoff) to keep my mind off the pole.
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