"Pole speed" at the Summit.

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"Pole speed" at the Summit.

Unread postby altius » Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:11 pm

After my "Pole speed" presentation at the Summit it was brought to my attention that at least one member of the audience felt that I must have spent thousands of hours going through video film to select the clips I showed. Apparently they believed that it was virtually impossible for young athletes to master elements of the Petrov Bubka technical model, especially those related to a free take off - taking off 'out' with an unloaded or minimally loaded pole.

Just to clarify this I would like to point out that none of the clips were specially selected. All were taken between 2000 and 2004 simply because prior to that I had no one to film for me - as any serious coach knows it is impossible to coach and film during comptetition. So the first clip showed Patrick Jesser clearing a PR of 5.40m/17'8? in our Olympic trials, the second - Tom Lovell clearing an equal PR 5.00m/16'5 in a World Junior trial, the third - his twin brother Chris failing at a PR height of 5.10m/16'9"? in the same comp. Had he gone clear, Chris rather than Steve Hooker would have gone to the World Juniors in Santiago. So all three boys were filmed in 2000 at their best heights in legitimate competitions.

Similarly 15 year old Jamie Scroop was shown at her opening height of 3.35 and then clearing a PR 3.80/12'4" at the 2003 World Youths in Sherbrooke , Canada where she finished 7th. 15 year old Jana Tancosic was shown clearing a PR of 3.85M/12'8" in winning the 2002 Australian Under 16 Title, Lauren Eley was shown also clearing a PR 3.85 when winning the 2001 Australian Schools Under 18 title and Wendy Young was shown clearing PRs of 4.20m in an interclub meet and then 4.40m/14'5"?? in the Adelaide Grand Prix the following week in 2004. Hardly an indication that I had to search long and hard to find evidence that supported my belief that young athletes can indeed master elements of the Petrov/ Bubka model, and so generate the pole speed needed to clear reasonable heights. :idea: :yes:
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Unread postby vault3rb0y » Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:38 pm

I dont even know half as much about the petrov model as i should, but from what i have been working on and what i see some of the best in high school working on, it seems like it would take more than 4 years of training to master. It would be interesting to look at how long each of those jumpers in your presentation had been jumping. That doesnt mean young athletes cant compose a strong foundation of the petrov model, but being able to execute it perfectly seems like a stretch for someone only jump 4-5 years. You would all know better than i would though.
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Unread postby Rhino » Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:57 pm

Altius never claimed a 15 year old had perfected the model. He said his athletes had mastered elements of the model, and I believe him.

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Unread postby master » Thu Jan 25, 2007 8:06 pm

vault3rb0y wrote:... It would be interesting to look at how long each of those jumpers in your presentation had been jumping. ...

If I recall correctly, I think Altius said of at least two of the young vaulters in his videos, they had about 80 practices, or about 2 years experience.

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Unread postby vault3rb0y » Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:44 pm

Rhino wrote: He said his athletes had mastered elements of the model.

Thats completely understandable. I was talking about mastering all the elements in the model. If he is talking about certain elements being mastered by certain young vaulters, i believe him. I just dont believe someone vaulting 2 years under average training schedules and even good coaching circumstances could master every element in the model. But apparently thats not what hes talking about, so i agree. Of course us kids can master certain elements of the model :D :yes: :P
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Unread postby KYSEAMAN » Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:40 am

Mr. Alan Launder leaned everything he knows from Western Kentucky University, over here in the bluegrass state!
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Unread postby altius » Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:40 pm

Seaman -we have names for people like you down under! :mad:
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Unread postby invert07 » Fri Jan 26, 2007 9:06 pm

well seeing how im from texas im going to take this chance and say we are from "down under" and we like to call mr. michael seaman an awesome vaulter lol! good vaulting at reno bro see you soon!

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Unread postby vault3rb0y » Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:33 pm

yea man you tore it up, i wish i could see all you guys at simplot before NIN. Oh well, have a good season and ill see you at nike.
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Unread postby KYSEAMAN » Sat Jan 27, 2007 3:24 pm

Altius, I believe the name yall call people like me would be....Proud Americans!
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Unread postby master » Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:24 pm

KYSEAMAN wrote:Mr. Alan Launder leaned everything he knows from Western Kentucky University, over here in the bluegrass state!

KYSEAMAN wrote:Altius, I believe the name yall call people like me would be....Proud Americans!

Maybe you are a proud American, but you ought to have your facts straight before you make a statement like that.

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Unread postby KYSEAMAN » Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:30 pm

I am so so sorry to have offended you "master". It was mearly a joke, becaseu Alan Launder was once a student at the Western Kentucky University. Every time I see him, I joke with him saying that if he never went to WKU he would know nothing about the vault. I am sorry for the humor...some people just don't understand! So I do have my facts straight...
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