too early for petrov?

[captainfalcon43]

sorry, that wasn't very well worded. I meant to say that the success of the athletes was due to them incorporating the Petrov model from the start.

I am Petrov Model all the way...just to clarify

[altius]

"Captainfalcon43 – I am not sure if you are deliberately being dumb or just stirring the pot."

Sorry old son I should have realised you really were stirring the pot and not asking a stupid question. I am obviously too old for this stuff - young guys like you will have to take up the challenge and fly the flag for Petrov. Then one day I will introduce you to him! That is if you can ever leave beautiful North Carolina.

[vault3rb0y]

If you are going to pontificate on everything to do with the vault 17 year old – never coached anyone –vaulter3rboy -then you at least should get your facts right. What Bubka said - and I was there so I should know – was that he managed to PREJUMP a few times in his career . he achieved a FREE TAKE on virtually every vault. So clearly you don’t know the difference between the too but you offer your opinions nonetheless. And what do you think those two very young girls are doing in the post above – or did you not bother to look at them?

Well then i retract my previous statement, i was indeed referring to a prejump, and i dont believe that should be taught to a young vaulter.

Of the two girls, they are clearly not beginners. I never referred to young vaulters, simply beginners. I wouldnt classify them as beginners. I also never said it couldnt be taught (referring to pre-jump) but that it shouldnt at an early stage in developement. Although that is irrelevant, considering i was thinking pre-jump in my mind, not free-takeoff.


Altius, you know your stuff. I agree on almost all of it. I would only say that intimidating, or attempting to intimidate, young vaulters will not help them jump higher. Spread your knowledge, and i will always listen. But bringing vaulters to tears or putting them down, as your reputation holds, is not a way to further the vault. You might think it makes you look more intelligent, but i assure you it does not. A REAL coach offers constructive criticism and doesnt make remarks- like simply posting ones age- to try to invoke a sense of futility in those who listen. You are not the almighty master of vaulting, and anyone on this website is free to give their honest opinions, open to CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. You are completely right and my post was completely wrong, as referring to a free-take off as a pre-jump. Simply saying that would have done just fine, but you insist on personally lashing out. Whether that be to make you feel big, further the purchase of your book, scare others from sharing an opinion, or whatever, its not called for.

Rick Baggett, Tim, Roman are all experts and i highly respect them for every intelligent, knowledgeable, constructive post they make.

[captainfalcon43]

Altius, you know your stuff. I agree on almost all of it. I would only say that intimidating, or attempting to intimidate, young vaulters will not help them jump higher. Spread your knowledge, and i will always listen. But bringing vaulters to tears or putting them down, as your reputation holds, is not a way to further the vault. You might think it makes you look more intelligent, but i assure you it does not. A REAL coach offers constructive criticism and doesnt make remarks- like simply posting ones age- to try to invoke a sense of futility in those who listen. You are not the almighty master of vaulting, and anyone on this website is free to give their honest opinions, open to CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. You are completely right and my post was completely wrong, as referring to a free-take off as a pre-jump. Simply saying that would have done just fine, but you insist on personally lashing out. Whether that be to make you feel big, further the purchase of your book, scare others from sharing an opinion, or whatever, its not called for.

Alan's reputation is definetely not of what you spoke of. I have never met anyone more genuine and more exciting than Alan. When I attended one of his camps I was always in pure enjoyment and it was all constructive. A girl may have cried once because of a genius and witty comment. The only reason he would have to be negative was if someone was vaulting danerously and refusing to believe that power of technique. He makes a learning experience fun and is one of the most REAL and best out there.

[altius]

"I never referred to young vaulters, simply beginners. I wouldnt classify them as beginners. I also never said it couldnt be taught (referring to pre-jump) but that it shouldnt at an early stage in developement."

There you go again betraying both your ignorance and your arrogance.

In the first place anyone with any knowledge of skill acquisition will confirm that you should try and teach the perfect model from the very beginning -not after youngsters have learned bad habits doing it any old which way. GO AND WATCH A GOOD GYMNASTIC COACH FOR A FEW HOURS.

Secondly on what basis of experience can you state categorically "it (the pre jump)shouldnt (be taught) at an early stage in developement." Have you tried to teach it or is than just more opinion uninformed by either knowledge or experience. Come to one of the clinis i am involved with this summer and you will see beginners introduced to the pre jump. Of course they cant execute it in a full vault but the exercise alone will help to improve critIcal elements of their take off and vault. How do I know that -because I have been doing that for years.

Some time ago I noted that you were a bright guy -unfortunately bright guys who dont know as much as they think they do are more dangerous than dumb ones.

If you want to put out your uninformed opinion go down to the chat site below or start up your own web page for uniformed folk. The alternative is to do what I suggested before - go and study the event/ teach it/ coach it and then come back and offer your opinion. Another possibility is that you head every post you make with the statement NOTE "This opinion is that of a 17 year old who has never taught or coached the pole vault"

You are bright -you are committed to the vault -but at the moment you are well on the way to holding back development in the event with your opinions because there are lot of folk out there who know even less than you do - they need good advice not chatty opinion.. You can chip at me as much as you like but it doesnt change the facts - dont pontificate on important and serious topics until you KNOW with the certainty that comes from knowledge and experience.

[master]

Alan's reputation is definetely not of what you spoke of. I have never met anyone more genuine and more exciting than Alan. When I attended one of his camps I was always in pure enjoyment and it was all constructive. A girl may have cried once because of a genius and witty comment. The only reason he would have to be negative was if someone was vaulting danerously and refusing to believe that power of technique. He makes a learning experience fun and is one of the most REAL and best out there.

This reflects my personal experience also.

- master

[gtc]

Altius! Coming to a city near you soon.
Kansas City June 13-15 or July 8-9
A camp you shouldn't miss! and they are filling up fast. But we can always add another pit and pull out THE fastest board runway you've ever experienced.
www.justvault.org

[altius]

Bloody Yanks - cant miss a chance to put out some commercials!

Just to let folks out there know, vaulter3po and I are now best buddies - the feud is over - at least until the next time he states something he is not qualified to say!