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Unread postby altius » Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:17 pm

Just to confirm that I will be coordinating the instruction at the Slippery Rock camps from June 8th to June 26th. We will be presenting the Petrov/Bubka model in a superb teaching environment. There are five pads, all the poles a young vaulter might need and a group of enthusiastic and experienced coaches.

We hope to build on the fine work of Mark Hannay who made Slippery Rock one of the premier camps in the country.

If interested contact Bill Jordan at william.jordan@sru.edu.

Look forward to seeing you there and signing your copy of Beginner to Bubka and Isinbayeva too!! Incidentally both Izzy and Vitali have got their copies. :D
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Unread postby HHSPVCoach » Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:59 pm

Alan,

I'm curious as to what Petrov thought of the book? Any comments, corrections, etc? I only ask because just recently I got into a discussion on technique with a vault coach at a DI university here in michigan that stated "Alan Launder mis-interpreted Petrov..." I tell ya, my jaw just about hit the floor. But just another one of those close-minded types that only wants to listen to the sound of his own voice.

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Unread postby altius » Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:15 pm

Thanks for the heads up Phil. Have not seen Vitali since he got his copy of the new version but I can tell you that two years ago he thanked me profusely for getting his ideas out in the first book. He then gave me the film to make a gymnastics dvd to promote his ideas of that aspect of training and asked me to retranslate his gymnastics book.

There is always the chance of misinterpretation any time two people discuss anything -even if they both speak the same language - but I have spent enough time with him to be sure of the salient points of his technical model. I have spent far less time with Sergei but one of the things you learn as a teacher is how to ask good questions - and listen to the responses. I have asked him good questions and got the responses I quote in the book. Incidentally note the number of direct quotes from both of them -also note that I have included Petrov's original paper as an appendix so you can easily check anything I have written against the great man's own words.

That said you will note that the sub title of the book is "An Australian approach to developing pole vaulters" - in other words I have tried to show how 'ordinary' young athletes in this country can begin to master elements of the Petrov model and used young Ozzy athletes - mainly my own - to illustrate this. Anyone can pontificate on the Petrov model or describe what Bubka did, but in the end the question is whether there is a discrete technical model that other - usually less talented - athletes can use.

Then because of my intended audience I have broken this continuous chain model down into four stages of energy input. I know that Petrov does not think of the event in four stages - for him it is one movement from the first step onwards. But how do ordinary coaches come to terms with that - how does it help them to develop drills for their athletes or even observe them to provide feedback. In the book I make the point that I am not sure if he sees the flexible pole in terms of a infinite series of straight poles - but I am prepared to defend that notion and am happy to take credit for it because I believe it helps folk better understand the vault and to see how important stiff pole work is -as it clearly is to Vitali.

I have been accused of misrepresenting Petrov's ideas before and I am sure I will be again. However the next time someone tells you this - ask them when they last discussed these issues with Vitali or Sergei -or even Roman Botcharnikov or Alex Parnov.

Finally I would dearly like to know who the coach was (Perhaps private email) ????- then i could check the performances of their own athletes = perhaps he would like to put film of them up here and explain exactly what he is trying to teach them! I say this having repeatedly been asked by high school coaches the hoary old chesnut, "How does Coach AAAA at Gotham U produce a 16' vaulter? Simple, they recruit a 17' vaulter!" ;)

Finally I will be in the USA for June and part of July - Happy to have a debate with anyone about these issues.
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Unread postby LHSVaulterJJR » Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:25 pm

wait is petrov actually gunna be at the camp?

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Unread postby altius » Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:17 pm

"wait is petrov actually gunna be at the camp?"

In your dreams old son - this is an Olympic year and i suspect he will have enough to do looking after Izzy without coming to Slippery Rock!

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Unread postby altius » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:54 pm

"I'm curious as to what Petrov thought of the book? Any comments, corrections, etc? "

My friend Steve Rippon - who gave Vitali the book at the Europeans - met him again at the World indoors and asked him about the book. Vitali replied that he was happy with the book but that I should have included more gymnastics. While I would never argue with the great man I have always tried to base my writing on what I actually did with my own athletes - and we did not do a great deal of gymnastics, in part because of time constraints and in part because of the relative importance of gymnastics to the level of the vaulters I coached. Since the book was aimed at coaches working with developing athletes I felt we had more than enough gymnastics in it.

That said if anyone is interested in learning more about Vitali's gymnastics program they can get a copy of the DVD we produced, which does go into greater detail, from Neovault.com
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