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Grip Width

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 10:36 am
by agapit
This continuous from a previous discussion, but I have separated it in to a new topic.

…I would mention that if your grip is narrower than shoulder width your shoulders can extend up to your ears raising your hands higher. :) (I would not do this however, it would hurt your ears :) ) I knew a Chinese vaulter in the late 80s, Lian Su Yu Gin (or something), he jumped 5.60. His grip width was about 12â€Â

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 10:45 am
by nitro
i think the only difference between the grip width is that its easier to invert with a narrower grip but then less energy is being put in the pole at the plant so its a counter balance but if it is posible to invert with a wide grip it would benifit

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 12:44 pm
by Tim McMichael
Agapit, I love your posts.

I agree completely that there is a wide range of grip widths that will work, each with its own pros and cons. I favor something in the middle based on the physical dimensions of the vaulter and the position in which the grip will put him or her at the plant. Here is the method I have used for years, and it is very close to the method Agapit suggests to achieve a free takeoff. It has the advantage of being something that an athlete can do at the back of the runway without the need for distracting markers on the pole.

I always found when I used marks that I was constantly worrying about whether my hands were exactly on the lines. I also found it helpful to alter my grip slightly under different conditions within the course of the competition. Exact lines made this more difficult because instead of feeling out the grip I was, once again, worrying about the lines. I hit upon this solution and made it a part of my prejump routine.

This sounds complex and involved when written out, but it is a simple thing to incorporate into a prejump routine with a little practice, and the vaulter never has to worry if their grip is right.

I stood at the back of the runway in a natural posture with my shoulders squared to the box and my feet even. The pole in my top hand rested on my shoulder, and I snugged it up against my chin as far as comfortably possible. This put my top hand just in front of a line drawn from my forehead down. It also naturally placed my elbow to the side. I placed the pole tip on the runway at a point even with a line drawn straight out from the opposite foot. Since I am right handed, this meant that the tip was even with my left foot. I made this position exact by looking at the lines on the side of the runway. If my foot was six inches in from the line, I placed the pole tip the same distance away. That way, even though it might have been sixteen feet down the track, it was still in an exact relationship to my left foot. This posture created a situation where all of the variables were the same. Then I simply reached out with my bottom hand as far as my arm would extend without moving my shoulders. The point where the webbing between my thumb and index finger touched the pole was the optimum grip. I could vary it about two inches in either direction – for varying reasons and with different results, but that is another discussion - without radically changing the timing and basic shape of the vault.
:)

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 1:07 pm
by Flying D
This post is excatly what i've been looking for! i have my conference meet today, and havent practice since my last meet in which i was told i had to shorten my grip. my grip was hugeeee, and i knew i had to do something about it, because thats what was keeping me from being inverted. But i was unsure until i read this post and realized everything i have to do to fix this.

Well, ill get back to you guys on if this change worked, thanks for the great post guys! :yes:

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 1:11 pm
by souleman
Tim, I'm going to try that tomorrow when I do some jumpin' in the back yard. Thanks!
P.S. As I don't have lines marked in my grass, I'll have to guess at where they would be if I had them.
Later........Mike

Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 2:50 pm
by Tim McMichael
The trick is to not move your left shoulder forward when you reach out. Good luck, I hope it helps.

Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 5:43 am
by agapit
Tim McMichael wrote:This sounds complex and involved when written out, but it is a simple thing to incorporate into a prejump routine with a little practice, and the vaulter never has to worry if their grip is right.

I stood at the back of the runway in a natural posture with my shoulders squared to the box and my feet even. The pole in my top hand rested on my shoulder, and I snugged it up against my chin as far as comfortably possible...


This is a good method. It does produce the same grip width as the method I have desribed and we have used this method as an every jump tool. My method is detailed and shows the reasoning behind it, however it could be substituted by the method you have described for every jump use.

Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 5:17 pm
by Tim McMichael
Here is a trick I found really useful. If I was stuck between poles or simply out of poles to go to in a competition and was still blowing through my biggest pole, I would narrow my grip about an inch and attack the next jump as hard as I could. For about three jumps this made about a half pole increase in stiffness, and it also got me on my back a litttle quicker. After three jumps though, my timing adjusted and I would start blowing it out again.

It is a great ease-up trick because it does not involve backing off of the takeoff or getting purposely under or anything else that might hurt the quality of the vault to make the pole stiffer.