Take off

[MadeinTaiwan]

Hi this is a question for Agapit or anybody who knows him well enough to help explain. I have read all of the articles in which the likes of agapit, altus, lonestar, dj.....etc have taken part, if i missed anyone it's not a slight, more that it would be tedious to write down 20 names.

i have been thinking about all the slight variations that different people have on what seems to be basically the same technical model and there is one part of what agapit says that i dont quite get.
agapit often talks about begging the movent to vertical as soon as "the take off is completed" as to avoid having a passive phase,the "hang/drive", but what i dont get is that if he means as soon as your foot leaves the ground or is there some other definitation of "completing a take off".

because if he means as soon as your foot leaves the ground this creates lots of problems that hinder getting to vertical(trail leg is straight hindering a whip like swing.....etc), so what i am looking for is how would you define "completing the take off", is it the point where the left arm is above the head(but this seems like a hang/drive) or is there some other definition of a "completed take off"?

thanks

[Mecham]

You are right that the phrase complete the take off is passive. There is no stopping in the vault. I believe when Agapit says the vaulter should begin to move to vertical when the take off is complete, is when the vaulter whips the trail leg. But when does that happen? When the take off is completed. But that is passive so we wont say that. The vaulter will begin to move to vertical when the vaulter flex's their trail leg, preparing for swing and inversion. Altius can explain his idea with the flex with his finger... ask him

but note, it is not just the trail leg that completes the take off.

I dont think agapit will be posting here anymore atleast for a long time.

[vaultman18]

I dont think agapit will be posting here anymore No atleast for a long time.

Why???

[altius]

I have not spoken with agapit about this but I suspect that he has pulled out for the same reason I have. That is, we attempted to clarify the critical elements of technique over a period of several months last year but it is pretty clear that many folk never read what we posted - so now the circle begins again with the same questions being asked. I am not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing but I do know that my life is too short to keep going down the same track.

I am probably not allowed to say this but I suggest that almost all of the questions being asked in recent weeks are already answered in BTB.

[Mecham]

all members havent read altius?

[IndyCoach]

too bad they cant keep those posts as the first few threads permanently then when the question comes up, they can look at those without searching.

[rainbowgirl28]

too bad they cant keep those posts as the first few threads permanently then when the question comes up, they can look at those without searching.

Even if I did that, there will still be plenty of new members who do not read any of the existing threads and post the same questions.

[vaultfan]

Madein Taiwan, I’m not an expert, but I have done some reading of the works of Brian Ferry (“Modern Pole Vaultingâ€Â

[souleman]

Altius and Agapit please hear me out on this. If yours is a good story you must be prepared to tell it often. If it is the way it is supposed to be, you must, as a teacher, tell the story again and again and again. What good would it serve, let's say, Lynard Skynard (a very popular Southern Rock band here in the United States that has been playing and performing for 30 years), to say, "we're tired of playing 'Sweet Home Alabama'. Everybody has heard it and we're tired of playing it. Didn't anybody hear it the first 3000 times we played it"? And yet, they still play it at every concert they put on. They also play it exactly the same way they have played it for 30 years. That IS the discipline of their craft. You have chosen the craft of teaching and coaching, the discipline of which is "performing" your teaching of the 6.40 model to those who have, and haven't heard it the first 2000 times you've done it. Please continue to teach what you both have spent so much time to master. Later...........Mike

[Mecham]

Amen.

[altius]

Nice thought Souleman - but they also put their stuff on cds so they dont have to play to every individual who wants to hear their music. I spent a year producing BTB for the same reason - whatever its limitations I believe it does answer a lot of the questions which come up in this forum in a circular process.

Now if the objective is to involve folk in their own learning this is a useful exercise but perhaps it is time for some who have absorbed BTB and moved on from there to take up the challenge. That leaves me to get on with some more writing - there is a great need for a good book on the teaching of soccer for example!!

[IndyCoach]

I know that I am a huge fan of this website and hope to continue my learning curve. In fact I agree, there knowledge is that of hard work and dedication. I ordered BTB today and recomend that many of you with the basic questions need to utilize other resources like the books, videos and clinics out there so that some of these people in our sport who have dedicated themselves can see some profit. Also, I know becca is graduating this year and I would hate to see this site disappear so we need to help out in any way possible to see it continue.