The rock back drill
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The rock back drill
Has every US coach and athlete eliminated the stiff pole rock back drill? - They should!
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Re: The rock back drill
altius wrote:Has every US coach and athlete eliminated the stiff pole rock back drill? - They should!
Altius, can you explain which rock back drill?
Are you talking about the rock back drill where in a warmup vault the athlete swings up quickly past the straight pole and does a backwards summersault before they land in the pit
or what???!!
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I am into stiff pole TAKE OFFS and stiff pole jumping at a bar -especially for beginners - because they force you to jump -not get lazy and wait for a flexing pole to pull you off the ground. But the stiff pole rock back drill encourages bad bad ahbits - which i mention in the book. I would like some of you folks out there to post why you can see that this drill is counterproductive. The somersault is even worse because it accentuates the very things you do not want to do!! What are they you may ask? Well i sense a lot of you folk are really with it -so use your noddles and put the reasons up.
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I think you should not using this drill for advanced pole vaulter, because of the nature of the swing with a stiff pole is very different from a flexing pole. With stiff pole you should use the double pendulum technique, relaxing the leading knee and drop both legs up ; unlike with flexing pole you to do a natural swing like bubka does.
Another thing is when you do a "rock back" on a stiff pole, you don't concentrate yourself on the take off and being behind the pole, you put all the focus on the "rock back" itself.
Let me know if this answer is good ar not.
PS: Sorry i'm not fluent in English
Another thing is when you do a "rock back" on a stiff pole, you don't concentrate yourself on the take off and being behind the pole, you put all the focus on the "rock back" itself.
Let me know if this answer is good ar not.
PS: Sorry i'm not fluent in English
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taliek -some good thoughts. However i would like to pull some ideas out of other folk who visit this forum before i make any comment on why i think this is a poor drill.
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depends on how the drill is done..
if used as a plant/swing drill i would say yes... if it is a "rock back" drill the answer is no... "rock back" is the wrong term and has no value and is a negative..
ultimately.... run..plant...swing ... is all there is in pole vaulting...and should be used.. as a vaulters "Q's"
what should be focused on is...
1. How to run properly with the pole or What is the correct run and pole carry?.. and develop that image in your vaulters, by drill, video etc
2. How to plant properly? or What is the correct plant position and timing?
drills and video to understand and accomplish this.
3. and... Swing.. What is the correct swing and how is it accomplished?
1..there isn't a real "dropping" of the pole.(Symantec’s).. the pole "drops" or lowers as a part of the run and pole carry, as "resistant" free as possible and to arrive at the "plant" position on time.
2. or a major pressing or locking out of the front/bottom arm...
3. nor is there a Rock back, hang, row, pressing down with the hands... and in the real would of "physics" there shouldn't be a "tuck and shoot"...
tuck and shoot is the "natural" shorting of the body’s radius to "make up" for a lose of energy somewhere prior to that position...
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction..
for anyone, including Bubka, to NOT have to "tuck and shoot" the transition onto the pole has to be "correct" and there should not have to be a "concerted" effort to "stay down longer" to penetrate to the pit.. "forcefully" staying down creates a swing timing problem and ultimately a lose of force that should be created by a fast.... long swing... eliminating the need to tuck at all.
staying down by choice or by “Pole designâ€Â
if used as a plant/swing drill i would say yes... if it is a "rock back" drill the answer is no... "rock back" is the wrong term and has no value and is a negative..
ultimately.... run..plant...swing ... is all there is in pole vaulting...and should be used.. as a vaulters "Q's"
what should be focused on is...
1. How to run properly with the pole or What is the correct run and pole carry?.. and develop that image in your vaulters, by drill, video etc
2. How to plant properly? or What is the correct plant position and timing?
drills and video to understand and accomplish this.
3. and... Swing.. What is the correct swing and how is it accomplished?
1..there isn't a real "dropping" of the pole.(Symantec’s).. the pole "drops" or lowers as a part of the run and pole carry, as "resistant" free as possible and to arrive at the "plant" position on time.
2. or a major pressing or locking out of the front/bottom arm...
3. nor is there a Rock back, hang, row, pressing down with the hands... and in the real would of "physics" there shouldn't be a "tuck and shoot"...
tuck and shoot is the "natural" shorting of the body’s radius to "make up" for a lose of energy somewhere prior to that position...
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction..
for anyone, including Bubka, to NOT have to "tuck and shoot" the transition onto the pole has to be "correct" and there should not have to be a "concerted" effort to "stay down longer" to penetrate to the pit.. "forcefully" staying down creates a swing timing problem and ultimately a lose of force that should be created by a fast.... long swing... eliminating the need to tuck at all.
staying down by choice or by “Pole designâ€Â
Come out of the back... Get your feet down... Plant big
used as a "vault" or plant/swing drill...
after the plant the vaulter tries to swing fast...and makes an effort to get vertical before the body passes the pole.. if you "stop" at all during the swing it should be when you reach vertical, both feet together, over the top of the pole.. slightly turned into the pole..
at that point you should be "kissing" the back of your bottom hand and your "top" hand should be in your groin (visualize the position!!!)..... then you can "ride" the pole to the pit ... landing on your side.. feet toward the back of the pit... still holding the pole and gripped properly..
if you don't want to finish that way you it should "air" vault.. run..plant...swing
dj
after the plant the vaulter tries to swing fast...and makes an effort to get vertical before the body passes the pole.. if you "stop" at all during the swing it should be when you reach vertical, both feet together, over the top of the pole.. slightly turned into the pole..
at that point you should be "kissing" the back of your bottom hand and your "top" hand should be in your groin (visualize the position!!!)..... then you can "ride" the pole to the pit ... landing on your side.. feet toward the back of the pit... still holding the pole and gripped properly..
if you don't want to finish that way you it should "air" vault.. run..plant...swing
dj
Come out of the back... Get your feet down... Plant big
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agreed! It is a continuous rotation through the shoulders! as fast as you can move!
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