driving horizontal

[wayupthere]

ive heard many times that to jump over your hand grip you have to travel horizontally a lot farther first so you can store the energy in the pole. my big goal is to jump over my handgrip. and obviously getting upside down and pushing off has a lot to do with it too but i just need some opinions.

[achtungpv]

wrong.

i'll let someone else explain. i'm tired and need to veg out on the couch.

[Peepers PV]

by travel horizontally- are you talking about your run?

[KYLE ELLIS]

My theory is you have to go low before you go high. As in driving forward through the box. Bigger the pole (flex wise) the easier it is to jump over the top of it.

[wayupthere]

by travel horizontally- are you talking about your run?

no at take off. sorry i didnt state clearly

[Barto]

How far over your top hand you jump is mostly limited by how fast you move the pole to perpendicular (straight up and down). The faster you move the pole the more energy there is to propel your body up. The reason you need your standards farther back is that when you generate a large amount of energy and efficiently use it to propel your body up above your top hand, you will travel up and out at about a 105 degree angle. This means the higher you go, the farther you will travel horizontally as well. Hope that helps.

Barto

[rainbowgirl28]

I teach people to jump up tall. The faster you can run down the runway, the more horizontal speed you will be generating. You don't need to jump forward, you are going to make it into the pit if you're gripping the right height on the pole. The taller you can extend and jump up, the better your takeoff angle will be, and the higher you can safely grip. If you tell a kid to drive forward and jump forward, a lot of times they just sit on the pole and bend the snot out of it without really going anywhere.

[KYLE ELLIS]

I teach people to jump up tall. The faster you can run down the runway, the more horizontal speed you will be generating. You don't need to jump forward, you are going to make it into the pit if you're gripping the right height on the pole. The taller you can extend and jump up, the better your takeoff angle will be, and the higher you can safely grip. If you tell a kid to drive forward and jump forward, a lot of times they just sit on the pole and bend the snot out of it without really going anywhere.

and if you told the same kid to jump up at takeoff he would run in there slow down, lean back and "jump" up.

[lonestar]

and if you told the same kid to jump up at takeoff he would run in there slow down, lean back and "jump" up.

BS

[Skyin' Brian]

I teach people to jump up tall. The faster you can run down the runway, the more horizontal speed you will be generating. You don't need to jump forward, you are going to make it into the pit if you're gripping the right height on the pole. The taller you can extend and jump up, the better your takeoff angle will be, and the higher you can safely grip. If you tell a kid to drive forward and jump forward, a lot of times they just sit on the pole and bend the snot out of it without really going anywhere.

and if you told the same kid to jump up at takeoff he would run in there slow down, lean back and "jump" up.

some people are coachable and some arent. your example seems to be that of a very uncoachable individual.

now if i could only find a way to grow a couple of more inches my takeoff angle would be greatly improved

[achtungpv]

and if you told the same kid to jump up at takeoff he would run in there slow down, lean back and "jump" up.

Impossible.

Try this.

Stand straight up. Lift your right foot off the ground and jump up off your left. Easy.

Now stand with your left foot just 6 inches in front of your right foot. Try lifting your right foot now and jumping up without shifting your torso forward. Pretty much impossible.

Your center of gravity has to be over your take off foot in order to jump off the ground. You cannot lean back and jump off the ground.

This is also why you can't be even 6 inches under and have an active takeoff. Takeoff under (even just a few inches) and only one of two things can happen...1. you are ripped off the ground at takeoff and end up flat on your back, 2. the pole bends while you're on the ground you don't leave the ground until your center of gravity is over your takeoff foot. Neither is that efficient.

[swtvault]

I have looked at both sides in great detail. Jump up, or jump out. In my opinion it all boils down to take-off mechanics. If your runway and takeoff are spot on, a take-off of more than 18 degrees does little. Incedentally 18 degrees is just slightly higher than your hip trajectory while running! I would venture to say that 90% of elite vaulters fall in this category. I think it all boils down to the mechanics of running, and taking off. The more velocity you can put THROUGH the takeoff, the more energy you will store and the quicker the rotation of the pole will be. This has been argued before, so I won't beat it to death.