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Leaning Forward while Running
Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 2:52 am
by Vault Chick
Hey everyone! Well, I was at practice today, and Tye Harvey, and his coach were there. Tye's coach noticed that when I run, I tend to lean forward a little. Does anyone else do this? Then I started running taller after he told me this, and immediately started doing better.
Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:04 am
by ADTF Academy
This is s syndrome of pushing out the back to far when you run otherwise referred to as obtaining triple extension. This is not what you want especially in the vault when you have to carry that pole of yours.
The question is did you fix your mechanics or just leaned backwards slightly so that it appeared as though you were standing more upright.
Get some video of your run and look to see how far behind you your pushing through. If its all the way they technically you should be leaning forward after every step taken if you maintain proper alignment and posture.
However this is not wanted in terms of excessive forward lean after each step taken. You need to get your foot back off the ground quicker.
Now that will make no sense, but maybe your coach can help you with basic runnign mechanics are try to find someone who can.
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:48 pm
by vault3rb0y
You want to be as tall as possible while running and especially at take off. Only sprinters want to lean forward out of the blocks, in order to get to top speed as soon as possible. But once they are at top speed they are are tall as possible as well. If you have a heavy pole, and make yourself hold it out in front rather than let it drop naturally, sometimes you tend to reach out with each step more, to compensate for being pulled forward. Subsequently you lean a little forward. This can be corrected by pole runs and drops where you let it drop naturally.
If you run normally and still run low, a good running excercise for this is called a high knee butt-kick. Most people stand very tall when doing high knees or butt-kicks, and in essence when you put these two together, it is just a shorter stride length of what you should look like when you run. Just start a light jog, then bring your feet up to the bottom of your butt (butt kicks) then out (high knees). Make sure your feet dont go too high on your butt by dorsoflexing (bending, toes pointing forward) your ankles as much as you can.
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:20 pm
by tikrapt
used to be a big problem for me. im a 110m hurdler and when i hurdle i lean into the jumps so thats how i was used to running. its kinda awkward at first but when you stand up straight you feel so much bigger and taller. awkward at first but stand up straight and jump off the ground at takeoff and it'll do you wonders
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:26 am
by dj
good morning
the pole carry position from the start can help correct that...
i put some notes in the coaches section on the run rhythm and hope to explain them more when i get some extended time..
i know i put petrov's explaination of the technique and that seems to be a mistake.. some camps seem to want to discount it just "because"
we need to throw out our "bias" and look at these things with a desire to correct ourselves and become better...
most of the things petrov and altius are saying i had heard way before bubka.. but the way they are said make a lot of sence...
i also did not invent the "RUN" there were many before me and bubka and petrov that made that a point of emphsis
the idea to hold the pole correctly from the first step and make it a "system" was something being worked on in the 70's
left wrist chest high in the center.. elbow down.. this allowed the vaulter to carry bigger poles and does not allow for a forward or a leaning back run..
the discription petrov gives also asures a high early plant...
more to come
dj
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:51 am
by jcoover
while it is normal to want to have your shoulders forward when you run, especially a distance as short as a vault runway, you must always keep your hips forward. i always think of the moment in the movie "Pre" when Bowerman tells Pre that it's easier to lift your knees when your hips are forward, "like in the moment of deepest penetration"
as he so elegantly puts it. anyways, keeping your hips forward should help with your foot strike and making your run more effortless.
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 6:05 pm
by ADTF Academy
I like to say and look at this.
Is the person running or sitting in a chair?
Are the hips in alingment or sitting back?
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 6:09 pm
by BethelPV
Hey Coov... Its Without Limits!
Both that and PRE are awesome movies, everyone who is a track athlete should watch them!
But I agree, Hips should be inline with the rest of the body, if they are sticking out backwards, not as much power or strength can be applied!
Zachmo
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:22 pm
by jcoover
ahhh thanks zachmo. i thought it was PRE.... without limits is def. a better movie but they are both awesome. either way, steve prefontaine is definitely someone to be looked up to not only as a runner but as someone with a great competitors attitude. sorry, that's off subject. anyways yeah... anyone who hasnt seen without limits, go watch it.
Coov