I HATE the NCAA

[Skyin' Brian]

that article is more an agrument against the rules for the regional qualifying procedures put into place for division 1 a few years ago. the simple argument against that is if you cannot perform the weekend of regionals what good you would you be in a national. and the whold craig scenario illustrates again athletes and coaches not knowing the rules. the best defense against the rules of the ncaa is to know them BEFORE they will mess you up. again, if you care about a national meet that means something then the ncaa helps you. if you dont care much about nationals, then simply ignore the ncaa. without the ncaa there would be fewer track scholarhships, not more and national competitions would not be as popular.

[Carolina Extreme]

The NCAA doesn't get any money from Reno correct? So why would they allow something like that to happen? Goes back to the whole thing about the NCAA being a business... Bowl games ring a bell maybe?

BINGO!! Reading between the lines: My guess is that NCAA may have approached them and tried to finagle their way into Pole Vault Summit money by promising to bring more sponsors, etc. to the table, and were told "NO",... or they are taking the route of strangling the Pole Vault Summit into voluntary submission. It would be interesting to find out if this were so.

The NCAA has clout, and they're not afraid to use it.

[rainbowgirl28]

The NCAA doesn't get any money from Reno correct? So why would they allow something like that to happen? Goes back to the whole thing about the NCAA being a business... Bowl games ring a bell maybe?

BINGO!! Reading between the lines: My guess is that NCAA may have approached them and tried to finagle their way into Pole Vault Summit money by promising to bring more sponsors, etc. to the table, and were told "NO",... or they are taking the route of strangling the Pole Vault Summit into voluntary submission. It would be interesting to find out if this were so.

The NCAA has clout, and they're not afraid to use it.

I think you guys are making it more exciting than it is. The NCAA rules have never allowed marks from meets like the Summit, but they used to grant the Summit a waiver. Somewhere along the line, something changed. Maybe someone pissed someone off, or maybe the people who were "the powers that be" changed. The Summit was not the only meet affected by this.

I really doubt this had anything to do with the higher ups in the whole NCAA, it was just a minor paperwork thing. It's a big deal to us, but I don't think anyone in the NCAA cares. I doubt they ever had any interest in sponsoring the Summit.

It's not some evil plot to make more money or to cheat people out of anything. They're just enforcing the rules they have always had. Yeah, it's dumb from our point of view, but the rules are designed to prevent people from putting together a little last chance meet with one event and bogus marks. Obviously that doesn't happen at Reno, or the Boston Indoor Games, but somebody felt like they had to draw the line somewhere.

[Carolina Extreme]

Are we talking about marks from the PV Summit not being accepted, or not being allowed to attend and/or compete? These are two different things. I can understand why the marks from springy runways may not count. Being told you can't go to a PV forum for a better vault knowledge, which makes the event better and safer seems nuts to me. Unless I have just totally missed something here. Am I missing something?

[Skyin' Brian]

Are we talking about marks from the PV Summit not being accepted, or not being allowed to attend and/or compete? These are two different things. I can understand why the marks from springy runways may not count. Being told you can't go to a PV forum for a better vault knowledge, which makes the event better and safer seems nuts to me. Unless I have just totally missed something here. Am I missing something?

its not the runways, plenty of indoor track facilities have board runways. its the fact that it is not a track meet. the other rules really dont make too much sense especially with the fact that the ncaa doesnt get more money from vaulters not attending clinics, but sometimes you have to take the good with the bad, or maybe try to lobby the NCAA to try and get them to change the rules

[rainbowgirl28]

Are we talking about marks from the PV Summit not being accepted, or not being allowed to attend and/or compete? These are two different things. I can understand why the marks from springy runways may not count. Being told you can't go to a PV forum for a better vault knowledge, which makes the event better and safer seems nuts to me. Unless I have just totally missed something here. Am I missing something?

I probably wasn't paying close enough attention to which thing people were complaining about specifically, since both have been brought up.

The runways had nothing to do with it. Lots of college meets use raised runways and they are perfectly legal for qualifying.

[Carolina Extreme]

What I had in mind was Stacey's WR not counting several years ago at the beach vault in California. They said the runways were to springy. Which has absolutely nothing to do with NCAA. I really do not know how I crossed those two up. LOL You are correct also that many NCAA meets are on elevated runways and the marks do count.

My bad! Now you know I'm williing to fess up when I screw up. LOL